three hits in a row.
2010 the overlapping generation.
2011 when was ancient jerusalem destroyed.
On the Way OUt
There was no change in 2011. However, the article When was ancient Jerusalem Destroyed? (defense of 607 BCE) was, IMHO, the article with the greateses number of objetionable statements and quotes. Misquoting, quoting out of context, outright lies were everywhere. I have done extensive study on that article and I am sure it takes the prize as the MOST INTELECTUALLY DISHONEST ARTICLE EVER.
three hits in a row.
2010 the overlapping generation.
2011 when was ancient jerusalem destroyed.
three hits in a row.
2010 the overlapping generation.
2011 when was ancient jerusalem destroyed.
Three hits in a row
2010 The Overlapping Generation
2011 When was Ancient Jerusalem Destroyed
2012 Who's is the FDS?
If Ray Franz were alive, he would be envious of the Governing Body. They are doing a much better job at opening the eyes of JW's than he did with his book in the first three years....Nah. I think Carl Sagan on his quote referring to JW's was right:
"... But religions are tough. Either they make no contentions which are subject to disproof or they quickly redesign doctrine after disproof. The fact that religions can be so shamelessly dishonest, so contemptuous of the intelligence of their adherents, and still flourish does not speak very well for the tough-mindedness of the believers. wishful thinking.
i have never been a jw, but i have lived literally surrounded by them since i married my wife, almost 20 years ago.
since i never raised a fuss before, i guess i was also brain-washed into thnking that their religion was harmless and the leaders were well intended.. i have been reading your comments for many months and have come to realize how harmful the religion is.
your comments have been mostly about the pain inflicted by shunning, deception in the literature, and the views on higher education.
Thanks Heaven,
I have seen the magazine cover. It's sickening to flaunt it as a badge of honor.
Thanks Pterist.
I hope more and more other countries take away the rights of irresponsible religious zealots. In economical and social issues I am a libertarian, but when it comes to children's well being and protection I am a tyrant.
Scully,
I am glad you made it. You are right, men have created laws and religions always to the detriment of women. I happen to be a man, but I am on your side. Men are pigs. I know it because I....was one....I think.
i have never been a jw, but i have lived literally surrounded by them since i married my wife, almost 20 years ago.
since i never raised a fuss before, i guess i was also brain-washed into thnking that their religion was harmless and the leaders were well intended.. i have been reading your comments for many months and have come to realize how harmful the religion is.
your comments have been mostly about the pain inflicted by shunning, deception in the literature, and the views on higher education.
Heaven, Frankiespin I am sorry about the unnecessary losses of your loved ones. I knew my question was going to be tough for you to write and for me to read. Your account and others help me galvanize my resolve to make my contribution to fight the irresponsible doctrines of the WT.
i have never been a jw, but i have lived literally surrounded by them since i married my wife, almost 20 years ago.
since i never raised a fuss before, i guess i was also brain-washed into thnking that their religion was harmless and the leaders were well intended.. i have been reading your comments for many months and have come to realize how harmful the religion is.
your comments have been mostly about the pain inflicted by shunning, deception in the literature, and the views on higher education.
Just sharing,
I have a brother JW who years ago had a stomach ulcer that started bleeding fast after a very spicy/hot meal. I believe he aggravated the whole problem by taking some over-the-counter medicine that thinned his blood. He waited for about a day to get to the emergency room from the time he started bleeding. He, as expected, refused blood. "Thank God" for great doctors, medical advances, and a compassionate health system in the U.S. He was just as good as dead had it not been for the skills and prompt treatment of those "bastards, wicked sons of Satan". Incidentally, he didn't pay a penny even though he didn't have health insurance. Again, damn those wicked governments of these systems of things who dare pay for thousands of dollars for health care to save the lives of the "chosen ones"
My brother and many JW's around the world had better survival chances, not thanks to Jehovah or the "JW hospital blood committee" (I forgot the name), but thanks to the very technology and higher education that they denigrate so much, and also, thanks to those evil sons/daughters of Satan (nurses, doctors and others who support government programs that provide the best care for free even when JW's make it unnecessarily more expensive)
Thanks for sharing first hand accounts of the harm done by the WT, especially to young, innocent lives who are given no choice in life-and-death situations.
i have never been a jw, but i have lived literally surrounded by them since i married my wife, almost 20 years ago.
since i never raised a fuss before, i guess i was also brain-washed into thnking that their religion was harmless and the leaders were well intended.. i have been reading your comments for many months and have come to realize how harmful the religion is.
your comments have been mostly about the pain inflicted by shunning, deception in the literature, and the views on higher education.
Giordano,
apparently you don't get it or want to get it....hummm
Wher the hell did you get the idea that I don't get it?????
I think you totally misunderstood. I thank advances in medicine because in some cases allow lives of JW's to be saved, which otherwise woud have been lost as a result of the stupid, asinine, borderline murderous, irresponsible doctrine of blood. My "sigh of relief" is because at least the greatest harm done by the watchtoer in terms of numbers doesn't come from children dying from the stupidity of the doctrine. The other harms (shunning, higher education and sense of betrayal) most people recover from, death you don't recover from.
professor massimo tistarelli:.
"my sister gave me a copy of the book life - how did it get here?
by evolution or by creation?
Quite interesting how the WT touts the credentials of Tistarelli. He is a professor, he is a scientist, he is the editor of three international magazines, he has writeen hundreds of scientific papers. We even get a picture of the guy. Doesn't the WT teach that universities are a place for sex and drugs, that pursuing higher education is bad because your pursue finacial gain and fame (not so bad if we make you famous through Awake articles), that your time is better invested serving Jehovah. I am confused.
So the WT finds 2 PhD's who are JW's (Furuli and Tistarelli), therefore PhD's around the world support JW's beliefs and methods, maybe?. How about a more realistic assumption, thousands or likely millions of Ph.D.'s don't support your beliefs and methods, therefore what?
2 smart guys without or with lousy evidence to support their claims (607 and evolution) versus thousands or millions of smart guys with incontrovertible evidence. Where to go?
i have never been a jw, but i have lived literally surrounded by them since i married my wife, almost 20 years ago.
since i never raised a fuss before, i guess i was also brain-washed into thnking that their religion was harmless and the leaders were well intended.. i have been reading your comments for many months and have come to realize how harmful the religion is.
your comments have been mostly about the pain inflicted by shunning, deception in the literature, and the views on higher education.
Thanks Shilmer. I have read your informative and quite interesting blog.
Thank you stonewall for the moving experience.
It seems that the blood doctrine has claimed a lot less victims than the other asinine doctrines. In a weird way I am glad to learn that the pain the watchtower causes is mostly to people who eventually recover (e.g. shunning and deception in litearature) or at least live with some sense of resignation (higher education). It seems that great advances in technology allow doctors in many cases to get around the dangerous, borderline homicidal blood doctrine.
i have never been a jw, but i have lived literally surrounded by them since i married my wife, almost 20 years ago.
since i never raised a fuss before, i guess i was also brain-washed into thnking that their religion was harmless and the leaders were well intended.. i have been reading your comments for many months and have come to realize how harmful the religion is.
your comments have been mostly about the pain inflicted by shunning, deception in the literature, and the views on higher education.
I have never been a JW, but I have lived literally surrounded by them since I married my wife, almost 20 years ago. Since I never raised a fuss before, I guess I was also brain-washed into thnking that their religion was harmless and the leaders were well intended.
I have been reading your comments for many months and have come to realize how harmful the religion is. Your comments have been mostly about the pain inflicted by shunning, deception in the literature, and the views on higher education. Your comments have been so moving that I am doing my part to undermine the influence of the WT on innocent people.
However, the comments that I haven't seen are those regarding the blood doctrine causing personal pain. I know the question is tough, but I would like to know if any of you has been personally hurt, or know someone who has been hurt by the blood doctrine of the WT
